Curse

jonnybegood · Nov 14, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Mesmer is not dieing, and is definitely the most versatile class in the game. especially from a PvP side, Mesmers "can" run, defend, offence, and support.
the last thing we need to see right now is another buff to eles.

Not only have new skills taken over parts of the meta game, but there have been 2 buffs to fire as far as damage goes and they increased the AI level so that nuking actually works. ele does the job it's supposed to do (most damaging class)

Mesmers do have a problem with energy though. yet if you go offence then you need to realize that mesmers are pressure, and every pressure takes time. So you can't go "willy nilly" about using all the skills on your bar. a-net knows that and that's why most mesmer skills have a long recharge, because if it was shorter then energy would be wasted like nothing else.

BTW how can someone have a bias against something they have created?

Cebe · Nov 14, 2006, 08:55 AM // 08:55

My mesmer sure as hell aint dying.

garethporlest18 · Nov 14, 2006, 09:27 AM // 09:27

My mesmer isn't dying. That new skill that does 106 Damage to primary target and 79 to others at 16 Domination recharges everytime I hit a spirit. I spammed it in NF's first Tyrian mission and raped those bow guys so bad it wasn't even funny. Then you have the interupts, Empathy which got a big boost, 16 second for 47 dmg per hit, when you have 1 and 2 second hits and even more with speed enhanced attacking. That does a load of damage. Still have the worst skill in game Ineptitude doing 140 damage and blinding. I love it so much when I use it hate it against me. Crippling Anguish, and a nice load of other new skills that NF brought and we still have everyones favorite..Cry of Frustration.

No they aren't dead, just seems a lot of people don't realize they power in PvE. They are used in PvP hence people understand they damage and shutdown they can bring.

ogami_ito · Nov 14, 2006, 09:38 AM // 09:38

I just created a Esurge-Spirit Pain mesmer. So weak. So pathetic. I only do about 260 armor ignoring damage in 3.5 seconds (180 of it AOE), while draining 16 energy. And then I do a paltry 100 damage with shatter enchant. Then I only gain back 12 energy for free with my leech sig while interupting meteor.

Rits...they are dieing. Because they look like primitives and get their butts wiped by mesmers. BUFF RITS!

garethporlest18 · Nov 14, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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Originally Posted by ogami_ito

I just created a Esurge-Spirit Pain mesmer. So weak. So pathetic. I only do about 260 armor ignoring damage in 3.5 seconds (180 of it AOE), while draining 16 energy. And then I do a paltry 100 damage with shatter enchant. Then I only gain back 12 energy for free with my leech sig while interupting meteor.

Rits...they are dieing. Because they look like primitives and get their butts wiped by mesmers. BUFF RITS!

Yeah you have fun with that Spiritual Pain around people hugging close to spirits don't you? Mwhahahhaha.

Dalimoor_Kalkire · Nov 14, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Referrring to Terra on page one...Amen...couldn't have said it better.

ParanoidDenny · Nov 14, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Why don't we all agree that everything is bloody nerfed in the game and have done with it!

*Darcy* · Nov 14, 2006, 12:24 PM // 12:24

It's been said before (not in this thread though). Mesmers get these type of threads started because we have bad visual effects for our skills. Now it's so bad that viewers don't even notice us in PvP observer mode.

We need the flash and bang of a fire ele or the giant weapons of a warrior, visual spirits like the rit; I'd settle for the sign of a ranger prep. All we get is spin and point. Elegant and graceful - yes; noticed by anyone - no.

As far as nerfs, good mesmers are used to adjusting builds constantly, so skill adjustments are usually not a great problem - unless you filled your skill bar once and never changed it.

lg5000 · Nov 14, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by Darcy

We need the flash and bang of a fire ele or the giant weapons of a warrior, visual spirits like the rit; I'd settle for the sign of a ranger prep. All we get is spin and point. Elegant and graceful - yes; noticed by anyone - no.

Try using spiritual pain

the noise effect should give away that someone in the party is doing something which does damage, I'd say they put it there to make mesmers stop whinging about not being seen or heard.

Terra Xin · Nov 14, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by Omar

And, with high enough FC, you can turn 2 second cast time into 3/4s (I think 11 FC does that).

If Guildwiki was available' I'd give you the link. But basically they have a useful article about fast casting. Overall, at rank 15, all cast times are reduced by 50%.

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Originally Posted by Darcy

It's been said before (not in this thread though). Mesmers get these type of threads started because we have bad visual effects for our skills. Now it's so bad that viewers don't even notice us in PvP observer mode.

That's true. Not many people no this, but your attire makes alot of difference in PvP. If you're wearing a piece of clothing that you know you don't like, you're gonna lose a battle. That's why a good way to kill a Mesmer is to call them ugly, they'll become warriorised and start spamming their skills till they're running away in their knickers^^.

The good thing about a Mesmer is that whenever a big change happens - like with the alterations in monster AI, mesmers would be the easiest to adapt to the difference in situation - because they have to change on a constant basis anyway.

Mistrust has a nice AoE animation. Other than that, its just a bunch of purplish circle auras eminating from monsters whenever they trigger a mesmer skill, and its the same animation across all skills; energy burn, empathy, backfire have the same animations.

Avarre · Nov 14, 2006, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by JR-

Or maybe you just need to learn how to play one effectively.

/agree.

If anything, with the various new spells in PvE, and the vulnerability of rampagers and SF eles to edenial, mesmers have recently gained relevance.

*Darcy* · Nov 14, 2006, 01:24 PM // 13:24

@lg5000 - but that doesn't show that it's the mesmer doing it. Maybe you should be able to see the team chat in observer mode? No, I guess the "bad word" editor would cut that down to nothing.

But, seriously, mesmers have always been in short supply. Players start one, can't figure it out or get told constantly by guildmates that the profession is useless, and "POOF" deleted character.

But the upside of that is you seldom come across a bad mesmer. Unlike "just smash 'em all" warriors, "uber mm" necros or "why did you let the mob move" eles, if a lvl20 mesmer is in your party, you can expect a player who knows what to do and when.

And the point about mesmer hero/henchmen being faster to react than a real player - that goes for all the professions. Maybe just the heroes should play and players should just watch as they can't possibly do it better.

So, no, mesmers are not dying as a profession. They are right where they've been all along - out shopping for clothes because they've finished the game.

Lyphen · Nov 14, 2006, 01:34 PM // 13:34

This must be a joke thread.

Theus · Nov 14, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Nope.

The only class that's slowly dying is the warrior with no hex removal stacked with Crippling Anguish,Phantom Pain and Conjure Phantasm.

Terra Xin · Nov 14, 2006, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by Lyphen

This must be a joke thread.

It certainly is, even dying is spelt wrong :S

Shopping for clothes isn't enough for me. I'm trying to score points with Erudine^^.

The lack of animations for mesmers is more of a PvP trait than it would be for PvE. It's not as if a Monster is going to think "where did that spell come from?". Besides, its not needed. Targets die - experience is gained, and you move on.

*Darcy* · Nov 14, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

@Terra Xin - I was joking about wanting the spell animations. But it does seem to be part of the reason mesmers are always under the radar. And fit with the "not seen in PvP observer mode" statements.

As for shopping, you can never have too many clothes. I think ANet should give mesmers a clothes closet option. I'd pay extra for that.

@Lyphen - yes, mesmer players consider threads like this a joke. Do you ever see any that say warriors or monks or rangers are dying? No, just threads about the death of a certain popular build for that profession. But at least once a month, someone starts this same subject.

Ole Man Bourbon · Nov 14, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

I'd like to see a little more in the ways of defense, self-healing, and energy mgt for mesmers. Mesmers have some great skills, but they have to be used pretty sparingly without an elite energy skill.

Ozric · Nov 14, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

It's been a long time since I've played Mez with any kind of enthusiasm, but that's not because of any inability of Mesmers to dish out damage, it's because I recognized that I just wasn't good enough at it. But come on, the last few times I played in pvp, I'd stay as far away from the mesmers as possible unless they were playing as Ele's, them my Ele can handle, but the Illusionists and Doms own my Ele in no time.

Mesmers have great defenses against melee, crippling, and hexes, and they can dish out TONS of damage and shut you down with a litany of spells throughout two of their lines. Inspiration nerf you say? Oh boo friggin hoo! More e-mgmt and self heals? Guys, those corpses you just made aren't hurting you anymore!

FalconDance · Nov 14, 2006, 02:52 PM // 14:52

I was hoping Avarre would pop in, even for just a few lines!

The first character I played through to the desert was a mesmer (altho the first I finished the game with was ranger Lili). I had virtually no idea how to play a mesmer and don't like using cookie-cutter builds so I know she was less effective than she could have been, but this doesn't mean she was ineffective!

That was over a year ago and mesmers were not sought after in PvE at all (it seemed, anyhow), so she henched most of the game. She 'retired' and her sister (all my mesmers are of one family) came in. The sister finished Prophecies and went on to Cantha. Their little sister is now romping through Tyria with Sunspear armor and a witch hat (wish I could dye the hat to match). Third time's a charm, and I'm experimenting with skills to finally build a really good mesmer. But I don't remember any serious 'nerfs' along the way......

Mesmers, to those who take the time and effort to learn the class, are certainly not only not a dying profession, they are wickedly powerful and fun to play.

Str0b0 · Nov 14, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

My mesmer rocks my socks and fast casting? Good stuff. I can drop max degen on you in less than a second and keep it on you because of low recharge times and strip any buffs away that some pesky monk puts on to stop the degen. Mesmers are not dead nor are they dying. The thing about mesmers is that they tend to be rather skill intensive characters. A lot of builds you can just mash buttons and pretty much make them function, maybe not to their peak but they work. Mesmers require you to select your targets, manage your energy more carefully and actually strategize.

I think this aspect turns a lot of players off to mesmers hence the apparently low play rate but they are still as essential as ever to PvP success and they are still viable PvE characters as well.